The comunity has gone to hell in this place

[Eanfom]

I've been on this forum sense nearly day one, and been on the site sense before it had a forum. Though I don't post much, I'm nearly on it every day.

In the early days of the forum, there wasn't much problems. The occasional spam bot might show up, and somebody might repost something, but nothing was too bad.

Then people started to hate anyone who posted anything they didn't like, calling it "Spamming."

Take for instance:
The game is alright.
6/10
Gets boring very quickly.

Gets flamed for it. Why? I have no idea.

Stone stop rating games like you are a reviewer. You're not.

Why? What do you have against that post?

Someone replies to this with how lame a flame that was, and how the person is entitled to his opinion.

It's so god damn fucking annoying when he does it though. I don't give a shit about people reviewing but he act's like he's friggin' better than us.

Irony.

Stone defends his actions in the same way the first person did.

WRONG.

To say what the game is like would be this

"The game is average, its fun for a little while but after a certain amount of time it gets boring. I would give it a 6/10"

What your doing should be considered spamming. Hell, its not even a review, its one or two words on a game with two numbers stuck to it.

GOOD DAY SIR.

Ouch. Why was he flamed? I don't know. Why is it "Spamming"? I don't know. In fact, the 6/10 review he gave it was more valid to the thread than the flames.

I find Okum's hatred of "spamming" rather funny, mainly becuase he was a spammer himself towards the beginnings of the forums.

http://www.fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589

I'm not saying everyone is like this, lots of people are very friendly here. But some of them are complete assholes, and everyone sits back and agrees with them.

[Cyranix]

Some of the mods have noticed a rise in poor judgment and less-than-ideal behavior on the forum lately. We will try to take the appropriate measures as much as possible. I appreciate you speaking up, and we'll do what we can to make sure that the community as a whole enjoys the discussions here.

[Ryu Hinote]

I find Okum's hatred of "spamming" rather funny, mainly becuase he was a spammer himself towards the beginnings of the forums.


I was there when he was a spammer. I wonder what would happen if we sent him back in time?

Although I think the reason that the forum has become more and more of hellhole is because of two things:
1) A surge of new members who haven't read the rules correctly, or frankly don't give a damn.
2) Members (Usually the ones who joined last fall) Are becoming rage machines because of 1.

It is hard to keep your cool if reposts, necro's, spam and poor spelling are flying around.

Personally, I think we should make it clear in one post that it was a repost or whatever. We shouldn't have a flame war everytime something wrong happens.

[tommyverceti]

i agree this forum is starting to have alot of flaming, in a recent thread by baab32 there was tons of flaming but i think things will get back on track now that baab32 has been banned. i just hope there will not be much more spammers, trolers, necros,etc. and maltor said everyone flaming will be punished.

[edthefirst]

Yes I have noticed it too. Although in one thread stone gave a game a 0/10 for it just being a Wii game. I have noticed also that either that mods aren't responding quickly enough, or they aren't on. Not because they aren't posting, but threads that deserve a lock aren't getting locked fast enough (some stay open the whole day) and then whole thread goes to hell.

EDIT: Also I have noticed older more established members of the forums are getting an itchy trigger finger and anyone new that does something is completely decimated by the flame. These things didn't happen in the past and are only starting now. We need a solution. Maybe stricter moderation, or even more mods. I don't know but something needs to be done.

[Dan]

I'm pretty new, But I made sure that I had read all or most of the rules before I joined up, so I wouldn't get flamed as much. Most new members seem to not do the same, although I did get caught once requesting a game on a silver platter. xD (And on Okum's old thread, I talk like this and I'm 14, stop giving a bad reputation for the younger gamers out there! xD)

[BananaFoam]

He's got a point. What's wrong with expressing your point of view about the games on this website? Lots of people do that. Just because some random dillweed doesn't like what they're talking about doesn't mean they have to bitch about it. It's just like they say.

Express Yourself.

[Crincles]

I have noticed also that either that mods aren't responding quickly enough, or they aren't on. Not because they aren't posting, but threads that deserve a lock aren't getting locked fast enough (some stay open the whole day) and then whole thread goes to hell.
I have noticed this too. If mods were to react quicker to threads that get waaaay out of hand like that recent baab32 thread nobody would have to get punished or Banned at all. If the Mods were to react quicker it would also save them work (I'm sure cleaning up after a thread like that one takes longer then just locking it at the start).

The moderators are not the only ones to blame though. I also feel that a lot of members are reacting to repost threads and threads they don't like in general in the wrong way. There is absolutely no reason to flame someone because they posted a game that was posted before (Some of you guys act like it's the end of the world). Did it occur to anyone to just state that it is a repost and leave it at that. There is no reason for anyone to say anything after someone told the author of the thread that it is a repost.

Posting "This thread is highly flammable" nonsense is also COMPLETELY POINTLESS. Entire threads get consumed by this garbage or equally nonsensical posts.

The bottom line is that if someone posts something that is frowned down upon by the community just ignore it and PM a moderator. Or if you must state your opinion and your opinion only (Being as courteous as possible).

[Ryu Hinote]

I find that the Report button hasn't been fully utilized by some members. I've used it twice (for legitimate reasons) in the past two weeks. We discussed this in another topic around here too.

[kotsoft]

Some of the older members are behaving just as badly as the newcomers, and some are behaving even worse. It's not just the new members not reading the rules, but I feel a lot of older members have forgotten the guidelines, such as avoiding excessive vulgarity and harassing other members. And it's not like those who are flaming the people making reposts have never made a repost before.

[psygo]

Well, shall I tell you why we want Stone to stop rating games?
I'm not going to find that post but he said something like:
"Looks nice, but its only for Wii.
0/10
Fail." Now THAT is why we want him to stop.

[edthefirst]

I find that the Report button hasn't been fully utilized by some members. I've used it twice (for legitimate reasons) in the past two weeks. We discussed this in another topic around here too.

I've lost count of the number of times I've used ti this month.

[Maltor124]

Report posts instead of posting against them. We will take care of the rest. It's as simple as that.

Ed and Ryu have both been taking the right course of action. A number of posts have been dealt with because of people reporting posts instead of trying to take matters into their own hands. Us mods are here for a reason, you know.

I realize it is certainly not the community's fault alone, I can only speak for myself, but I think I have not been as attentive as I could have been, and I apologize for that.

Nonetheless, even if I am not online, I am alerted of a reported post THE SECOND it is reported. If I see it, I take action, as do the other mods. We DO NOT instantly know the moment a user is flaming another user instead of reporting. We can't be expected to read through every single thread in this forum to find problems without a considerably larger number of moderators, it is becoming too large too quickly.

So please take my advice, use the report button instead of dealing out punishment yourself.

[Eanfom]

Well, shall I tell you why we want Stone to stop rating games?
I'm not going to find that post but he said something like:
"Looks nice, but its only for Wii.
0/10
Fail." Now THAT is why we want him to stop.

Does it hurt you to see him take up one of the posts in the thread?

No

So, why do you care?

[Gump]

I find that the Report button hasn't been fully utilized by some members. I've used it twice (for legitimate reasons) in the past two weeks. We discussed this in another topic around here too.

OFFTOPIC WARNING:

Eeh... report button ? xD *looks like question mark*

[Loplop]

I think flaming is the biggest problem in this forum, usually theres atleast one thread a day that goes like this:

Title: Oh hai new hear, lookin for ragdolls =D

"Oh hai guys just wundering wer i can find som pisicks gamz sorry for ma bad engrish."

Then the usual come along, not naming names....

"OMG GOLDEN RULE YOU NOOB IM SICK OF PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE GOLDEN RULE, DONT REQUEST SUGGEST AND DISCUSS AMAGAD, THIS GUYS SHOULD DEFFO BE BANNED."

then the forum ends up with a heck load of registered users with only 1 post......

I dont think ive ever flamed someone on this forum *please tell me if i have because i do apologise* but seriously, its all i see everyday..... stop the hatin.

[Ryu Hinote]

OFFTOPIC WARNING:

Eeh... report button ? xD *looks like question mark*

Look above the join date. Its the Red and White Triangle with the Excalamation point (or black line). Use this as your weapon of justice, and nothing more.

[OkumTheLostNinja]

Well, shall I tell you why we want Stone to stop rating games?
I'm not going to find that post but he said something like:
"Looks nice, but its only for Wii.
0/10
Fail." Now THAT is why we want him to stop.



I wouldn't mind anyone rating games, but this is the truth.

Also, why is it so bad to state what I think? I just seem to think it's annoying. Is there a problem with that?

And also, eanfom you really, REALLY, shouldn't be talking.
Ehehem.




http://fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183

http://fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275

:/

[Crincles]

I wouldn't mind anyone rating games, but this is the truth.

Also, why is it so bad to state what I think? I just seem to think it's annoying. Is there a problem with that?
And also, eanfom you really, REALLY, shouldn't be talking.
Ehehem.




http://fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183

http://fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275

:/

Why? What do you have against that post?

Someone replies to this with how lame a flame that was, and how the person is entitled to his opinion.
See any similarities. No matter how absurd or stupid stone's opinions are he is entitled to them just like you are entitled to yours. Although I have to say that I don't agree with his 0/10 rating for that game but I don't have to flame him after every review he makes because I don't agree with his opinion.

I do believe eanfoms' first post was targeted at you a little too much though. He could have used other example's, not just yours.

And please stop smacking each other in the face with each others stupid threads and post's we all have them.
Mine is quite funny: http://www.fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1169&highlight=flamed

[earlofnim]

Okum's known as a flamer, which pisses people off. *fixed. He's not the only one though, and there are a couple of people on here who flame once in a thread, then because they flamed, another message like that turns up, and again, and again. By the way, what's wrong with people requesting games? Since the Golden Rule's here, this is why this forum's lifeless. Suggesting and discussing games is the point of this forum, and yet no one posts anything. Only old lurkers of this forum can get away with most of the new noobs that do this on here, and all's well, but when someone with bad English is looking for a fun, friendly forum to find a fun game that will satisfy him, everyone starts bitching. Also, what's bad about necroing? It's a regular post in an old forum, stop whining about it like it's the end of the world, I've seen Farbror cry about it all the time. There's many pages in this this part of the forum, not everybody's going to look through the whole thing, so why not remind everyone of a fun game?

[Ryu Hinote]

It's because everyone hates and wants to kill Okum. He's been despised since he came here with his nonsensical posts. He's not the only one though, and there are a couple of people on here who flame once in a thread, then because they flamed, another message like that turns up, and again, and again. By the way, what's wrong with people requesting games? Since the Golden Rule's here, this is why this forum's lifeless. Suggesting and discussing games is the point of this forum, and yet no one posts anything. Only old lurkers of this forum can get away with most of the new noobs that do this on here, and all's well, but when someone with bad English is looking for a fun, friendly forum to find a fun game that will satisfy him, everyone starts bitching. Also, what's bad about necroing? It's a regular post in an old forum, stop whining about it like it's the end of the world, I've seen Farbror cry about it all the time. There's many pages in this this part of the forum, not everybody's going to look through the whole thing, so why not remind everyone of a fun game?

I think we should have a Request forum if we can't put them all in the Physics Game one.Although, I hate it when people have REALLY BAD english to the point it's almost illegible and just a collection of random symbols.
Also necro's are bad when a topic has fully been discussed, then a post says "Lol, fun" and then it just clutters up stuff. I wouldn't mind good Necroing, but but its like a more cluttering spam.

[Crincles]

1. It's because everyone hates and wants to kill Okum. He's been despised since he came here with his nonsensical posts. He's 2. not the only one though, and 3. there are a couple of people on here who flame once in a thread, then because they flamed, another message like that turns up, and again, and again. By the way, 4. what's wrong with people requesting games? Since 5. the Golden Rule's here, this is why this forum's lifeless. Suggesting and discussing games is the point of this forum, and yet no one posts anything. Only old lurkers of this forum can get away with most of the new noobs that do this on here, and all's well, 6. but when someone with bad English is looking for a fun, friendly forum to find a fun game that will satisfy him, everyone starts bitching. Also, 7. what's bad about necroing? It's a regular post in an old forum, stop whining about it like it's the end of the world, I've seen Farbror cry about it all the time. There's many pages in this this part of the forum, 8. not everybody's going to look through the whole thing, so 9. why not remind everyone of a fun game?

1. Last time I checked I didn't want to kill Okum. No matter what he has done in the past he seems to be a pretty decent member now (Besides the possible excess in flaming). I have seen these forums grow from the start and I seem to be ignorant as to why you show Okum in this bad light. Please enlighten me as to why you say this about Okum.

2. I agree.

3. These people who just flame once are just as guilty as those who do it repetitively. For some reason people think it's justified to flame someone as long as everyone else is. You and me both know that isn't right. Why choose to center this post around one person's actions when all who flame are responsible?

4. Nothing.

5. I have never liked the Golden Rule, ever. It is a relic from the past of fun-motion, a time when there were no rules. Because of this members made a rule (More like a weapon) to use against those who they deemed a Non-Contributor.(They were really just annoyed that people kept asking for games and created a "rule" so that they didn't have to give these people a real answer)

6. It's not so much Bad English as it is the butchering of English into a completely different language (I would count baab32's communications to be an example of this). "Truly bizarre formatting, spelling, and grammar are also discouraged."- Straight from the forum rules. If someone says they speak another language and do not know English grammar well members usually understand and accept this. Just not when the user TyPs lEik 7H1S.

7. The possibility that it could hinder the progression of ongoing threads. Although I have to say this is very unlikely and probably wouldn't happen unless someone necroed like 8 threads in a row pushing all current topics to the bottom. One should really only complain if the person necroed 3 or more threads consecutively for no apparent reason.

8. I rarely ever scroll down to the last 1/4 of the first page.

9. I agree, there have been necroed threads that I have never seen before.

[edthefirst]

The fact of the matter is:

1. This forum is some-what divided. In one side there are the people who could care less if the noob makes a repost. Those people quietly and gently inform the person of the forum rules. In the other corner there are those members who flame to hell, hoping that this will better the conditions of the forum. Sure I dislike the butchering of the English language as much as the next guy, but throwing a flaming molotov in the person's face is no way of dealing with it. No one is perfect, even though I speak English as my first language, my sentences are by no means correct (comma splices, etc.) but they suffice.

2. Secondly people lately are almost too eager to flame. As Ryu and I have been doing is just simply reporting the post and mentioning something constructive to the thread (this is also to say that more members may be doing it, I just pointed out Ryu from the others because I know he has been reporting).

3. Moderators are doing great. The only complaint is the amount of time it sometimes takes to lock a thread. Some are locked instantly. Others are taking around the whole afternoon to close, making it a flame fest for the people the post in it.

EDIT: I am also liking, and think the attitude Crincles has about this matter is the right way to go. He is taking this whole issue in a sort of relaxed mood. Other members should maybe take this as an example of how to behave on the forums.

[Ryu Hinote]

i think Crincles is a pretty cool guy, eh resists flaming and doesnt afraid of anything.

In all seriousness though, I think that we should all follow edthefirst's, Crincle's, earlofnim's, and other members with similar mindsets point of views, this entire thing wouldn't have happend.

Also, here's the one post that filled me with more RAGE than any other post here (to be bluntly honest) and a good example of how a fire can start :
lol man i dont care about grammar its just a peace is crap that u have to remember and i dont use it....

[OkumTheLostNinja]

Okum's known as a flamer.

I understand, I'll try to be nicer from now on.

And also @ ed, I deleted the post. I know what you mean now.

[edthefirst]

I understand, I'll try to be nicer from now on.

And also @ ed, I deleted the post. I know what you mean now.

Alright I also deleted mine, that way this whole incident goes under the rug.

[Maltor124]

Crincles, your post made me realize this issue cannot wait any longer. Look at the thread I just made, all of you, if you please.