Moderator powertrips?

[ShortStuf7]

Yes, moderators have power over who stays and goes, but there's one thing that is really becoming an unnecessary nuisance and is just stepping over the line of overbearing moderation; aka powertrips.

You moderators- I'm not going to name names, you know who you are; we all do- have became quite comfortable with doing some rather ridiculous abuses of your power.

One main thing is the editing of peoples' posts; signatures and statements to fit your opinion of their statement or to fit your beliefs. This is just plain rude: You should either tell the person to change the material in question, and then alter it only if they do not follow the rules or defend their use, or ban them temporarily for their "illegal" activity.

The second thing is the moderator superiority complex and their "must have the last word, and no one else gets the chance to defend themselves mentality. You guys enter an argument and pin your opinion on it, create arguments against specifics, then lock the thread so no one can argue against you or prove you wrong.

Get over yourselves.:rolleyes:

[GreyMario]

I hereby dub this the "'Bitch About Cyranix' Thread #3" and expect it to be closed soon.

You were quite well told to shut up.

[Crincles]

Hmmm....I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement but if they are modifying peoples sigs and stuff without telling people I don't think that's right. Mabye you should find some examples of these things because otherwise some members here might try and rip you apart.

PS:
Get over yourselves.
Mabye you should take your own advice sometime, your sig is extremely annoying and it just seems like your bragging about your comp specs.

[Sokuto]

Hmmm....I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement but if they are modifying peoples sigs and stuff without telling people I don't think that's right. Mabye you should find some examples of these things because otherwise some members here might try and rip you apart.

PS:

Mabye you should take your own advice sometime, your sig is extremely annoying and it just seems like your bragging about your comp specs.

I couldn't agree more. Especially about his sig.

[GreyMario]

His sig's bigger than mine was when I tried to see if Cyranix would poke me about a large sig.

[ShortStuf7]

There, now its even longer.

As for evidence, I could go find some, but all you have to do is click a closed thread, they all bear the same features.

As for my signature, no mod has informed me of its length, and i don't really care if you all think its showing off, its my computer I built with my hard-earned money; I can show it in my signature and say whatever I want about it.

[Crincles]

Sorry must have hit a nerve there.
I was only stating my opinion. You can put whatever you want in your sig (of course within reasonable limits) but don't get angry at people for saying your sig is too long or it seems like your just showing off because we are just as free to criticize your sig as you are to create it.

[Xerxes]

I think editing the posts and signatures is just plain rude, especially signatures.

[Sokuto]

While I agree with the editing sigs and posts (without a good reason) is rude, I have to point something out.

These (http://fun-motion.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20159#post20159) kinds of posts really irritate me. All it is gloating, and you bolded the words to point out how much better your comp is than ours. I don't care about you posting your specs, but emphasizing every word in it is ridiculous. You just want attention.

Now, if you show us a valid example of disrespectful editing of posts and sigs, then I'll ask Cyranix about it.

EDIT: Now I see ShortStuf is being a jackass about his sig.

[Maltor124]

This is stickied. If anybody wants to give us protips, suggestions, or file complaints, do it here and here alone. I can see threads like this will continue, so might as well contain it to one thread. Looking forward to some criticism. :)

P.S.- Shortstuf, you spelled powertips wrong. It isn't powertrips.

EDIT: Also, any other mod who feels it need be done, feel free to un-sticky and remove.

[Crincles]

EDIT: Now I see ShortStuf is being a jackass about his sig.

More like very childish.

EDIT: No offense Maltor but this thread might get out of hand extremely quickly. If you want to make a thread like that I would suggest making a brandy new one. (just my 2 cents worth)

[Maltor124]

You have a good point. This thread his already filled with bad user flame is bad.

I'll make a new thread, and this gets un-stickied, but this still stays open for the purposes of argument. I'll lock this if it gets one more flame post.

[ShortStuf7]

This is stickied. If anybody wants to give us protips, suggestions, or file complaints, do it here and here alone. I can see threads like this will continue, so might as well contain it to one thread. Looking forward to some criticism. :)

P.S.- Shortstuf, you spelled powertips wrong. It isn't powertrips.

EDIT: Also, any other mod who feels it need be done, feel free to un-sticky and remove.
No, I said "power trips" as one word powertrips; because I consider it as a one--word statement instead of a two word phrase (I'm bizarre that way).

Power tips is entirely different from what I mean.

That post regarding my gloating about my comp was mainly because someone posted about my computer right after I had purchased it and I was just talking about how good it was because I was excited after finally completing it (don't act like you wouldn't have done the same after spending so much time and money on something- seriously)

My extending my sig was to emphasize the ridiculous claim of my sig being too long, when in fact it wasn't large atall in comparison to the possible length allowed and to basically just say that it could be worse, so stop telling me that my sig is gloating and too long, when in fact it isn't atall.

As for proof, this post here made by relys was last edited by cyranix for language use without consent:

http://www.fun-motion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22881&postcount=4

[GreyMario]

(insert words here)
As for proof, this post here made by relys was last edited by cyranix for language use without consent:

http://www.fun-motion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22881&postcount=4

Hmm.

Do moderators REALLY need consent to edit a post?

What alternate universe do you live in?

[ShortStuf7]

Hmm.

Do moderators REALLY need consent to edit a post?

What alternate universe do you live in?

It seems incredibly rude to modify someone's post to fit someone's own beliefs- if you ask me..

[GreyMario]

It seems incredibly rude to modify someone's post to fit someone's own beliefs- if you ask me..

Provide me with three examples of such an event.

[Maltor124]

It seems incredibly rude to modify someone's post to fit someone's own beliefs- if you ask me..

I do believe he justified his action, and then, after consulting with Relys through PM's, returned the post to its original state. That says nothing about abusing of power.

[ShortStuf7]

Provide me with three examples of such an event.

I can't directly recall three, but here's the second so far;

No posted warning, just an immediate edit by CX1329:
http://www.fun-motion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19455&postcount=18

It's not the number of these that matters either, it's the fact that the mods are doing this atall that bothers me.

All I'm saying is that you should warn the person, tell them what is wrong in their post and if they respond adversely, either ban them or edit their post only then. How hard is that guys?

Remember, it's not like any of you mods are anything more spectacular than any of the other people on these forums. You were essentially educatedly, randomly picked out of the lot of those who applied; just show some respect and warn people or alert them before you go around modifying what they have said or written.

And for your info, powertips isn't even a word lol; what did you even mean by that maltor? I said powertrips (power-trips) meaning reigns/trips of power-hungry actions.:p

[Sokuto]

Do you not realize the point of moderating is to stop useless and pointless posting? Beakless uses profanity way too much. It was not needed in his post, and it wasn't in Relys' either. When I do use profanity, I at least censor part of it just out of respect. The guidelines state that some profanity is okay, but using it all the time or at inappropriate times is not. Relys could have called him a loser instead of a f***.

[ShortStuf7]

Do you not realize the point of moderating is to stop useless and pointless posting? Beakless uses profanity way too much. It was not needed in his post, and it wasn't in Relys' either. When I do use profanity, I at least censor part of it just out of respect. The guidelines state that some profanity is okay, but using it all the time or at inappropriate times is not. Relys could have called him a loser instead of a f***.

Yes, and I totally understand that the rules are there for a reason, but all that the mod needed to do was to warn or ban him temporarily before editing his post. I agree that some users swear too much (although I see swear words as just other words and aren't more harmful than words such as kill), but that doesn't give anyone the right to just edit their posts.

You know what? how about this: Instead of being able to outright edit someone's post for having profanity, how about you go into the forum settings and setup a word filter that puts *'s in for middles of "naughty" words. Either that, or change the rules up to tell people what your idea of excessive profanity actually is in your eyes.

Do something more justifiable.;)

And for the record, I don't see any complaining about sokuto's or maltor's sigs, which are the same length as my own.

[Sokuto]

Yes, and I totally understand that the rules are there for a reason, but all that the mod needed to do was to warn or ban him temporarily before editing his post. I agree that some users swear too much (although I see swear words as just other words and aren't more harmful than words such as kill), but that doesn't give anyone the right to just edit their posts.

Moderators do have the right to edit without warning. It's their job.

You know what? how about this: Instead of being able to outright edit someone's post for having profanity, how about you go into the forum settings and setup a word filter that puts *'s in for middles of "naughty" words. Either that, or change the rules up to tell people what your idea of excessive profanity actually is in your eyes.

I never said I don't like swear words. I swear as much as the next guy, but when I talk to people I don't know, I show respect to them by not swearing in front of them.

And for the record, I don't see any complaining about sokuto's or maltor's sigs, which are the same length as my own.

Our/my sig doesn't have red, bolded 20 pt. font everywhere in the text. I've got a quote, the Chief's record, and an "In Memoriam" to Colin McRae.

[ShortStuf7]

Moderators do have the right to edit without warning. It's their job.



I never said I don't like swear words. I swear as much as the next guy, but when I talk to people I don't know, I show respect to them by not swearing in front of them.



Our/my sig doesn't have red, bolded 20 pt. font everywhere in the text. I've got a quote, the Chief's record, and an "In Memoriam" to Colin McRae.

It doesn't matter what the contents are. I happen to like the color red and the size 5 (not 20) fonts to express myself. As I said, it doesn't matter what the content is, people are complaining about the length of mine mainly, when yours is of the same length.

[GreyMario]

Sorry for knocking the thread off topic, but who exactly was Colin McRae?

[Cyranix]

Yes, and I totally understand that the rules are there for a reason, but all that the mod needed to do was to warn or ban him temporarily before editing his post.

I was in the middle of writing a massive post when I read that... and laughed so very hard. I only edit posts for minor stuff, like foul language or "garbage" (forty exclamation points in large font, for example)... and you would rather have me temp-ban a person for that than just make a quick fix and move on? That's silly.

And yes, I do send PMs to people whose posts repeatedly require minor corrections [only 2 or 3 people so far]... but I'm not going to make a mountain out a molehill. Frankly, it's busywork for a moderator to send a warning every time there's a minor violation. Man, if people think I'm a serious moderator now, imagine how they'd feel if I sent a PM warning or issued a temp-ban every time there was a little mistake! [grin] A quick edit to fix a minor problem really isn't a big deal.

You know what? how about this: Instead of being able to outright edit someone's post for having profanity, how about you go into the forum settings and setup a word filter that puts *'s in for middles of "naughty" words. Either that, or change the rules up to tell people what your idea of excessive profanity actually is in your eyes.

A reasonable suggestion, I guess. It makes me sad, though, to think that we users ourselves aren't capable of filtering our own language use.

And for the record, I don't see any complaining about sokuto's or maltor's sigs, which are the same length as my own.

Ahhhh, haven't we already said "If you feel like there's a problem, send a PM or use the Report Post function" several times?! It may be a valid concern, but instead of trying to snipe other users in this thread, why don't you follow the procedure that has already been described?! It baffles the mind!

[Ooh, I now see my post looks like Sokuto's... neato!]

[Also, can't we just use Wikipedia to learn about things like Colin McRae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_McRae)?]

[Crincles]

I agree with Cyranix. Moderators shouldn't have to warn you when they censor one of your posts because the longer profanity stays posted somewhere the better the chance people will see it. It's pointless to see a problem and then have to get permission to fix it while it just sits there longer then it has to. I do think they should warn you about stuff in your sig though, so you have the time to change it instead of them.

Also, only one person commented on the length of your sig. The biggest complaint about it is that it seems like your are bragging about your comp specs, especially when you had that HL2 Episode 2 link in it. I appreciate that you removed it, that was, for the most part, the thing that made it look like you were bragging.

[ShortStuf7]

Also, only one person commented on the length of your sig. The biggest complaint about it is that it seems like your are bragging about your comp specs, especially when you had that HL2 Episode 2 link in it. I appreciate that you removed it, that was, for the most part, the thing that made it look like you were bragging.

The episode 2 thing wasn't really bragging atall; see, basically anyone can run ep2 at nearly high settings. Me posting that was merely a subtle joke. Sure the phrasing can be interpreted as bragging, but when I say "I don't think ep2 will be a problem for me (with link to a chart showing my specs ranked largely over the recommended specs)" I mean to get a response of ":pwell obviously, lol:p (as in looking at the chart, it easily should; no doubt about it)"; not one atall comparing my computer to any others or bragging in any way.

I'm used to having my computer specs, bad or good in my signature, as it is accustomed on many forum sites. Me posting my specs here isn't atall a hit on any users with lesser computers, nor is it in any way a sort of bragging; all it is is me doing what I've always done: posted my computer specs in my sig. It makes it easier for people to see when people say "runs high for me" or " this game lags me to death", then look at their sig and see why and compare before they download the game.

So, as you see, I didn't put any of that to brag; I'm seriously not meaning it to be bragging atall, I'm simply just posting my specs, take it as you want, but thats all I meant of it.

[Xerxes]

I think the main problem people have with it is the bolding and coloring of the words. It looks more braggy-ish when you have it bolded so that it's like "Hey, you, scrolling down the page! Look at this!" If it were just typed normally, without size-changing and coloring and bolding and what-have-you, people would complain about it a lot less.

That's my opinion, at least.

[GreyMario]

That's what small text is for.

Signatures should be a forced fontsize--.

[ShortStuf7]

Alright, well, it's my signature, and it isn't against any rules. It's of average length and it has some color, like some others do aswell. I haven't bugged anyone else about their signatures, so how about everyone just stop nagging me about how mine isn't to-your-specifications or other factors (jealousy?, I dunno lol). It's my signature, if you don't like it, just ignore it; please. I ignore all those with big bolded RIP's and big "anger level" or similar load bars, so lets just ignore mine, shall we?

Thanks, sig problem solved.

[muffinmonkey]

ok

Mods are allowed to edit illegal threads
that's practically their job
They do not need to say "please may I edit the word Je*usF*c* out of your post" then wait for a reply in which time everyone has seen it and has replied and it's too late to change it.
they're responsible enough to just do it

also, I don't particularly like you sig seeing as it is bigger and more garish than most of your posts, I'm fine with you bragging but could you not do it in size 2? (or even 1?)

[ShortStuf7]

ok

Mods are allowed to edit illegal threads
that's practically their job
They do not need to say "please may I edit the word Je*usF*c* out of your post" then wait for a reply in which time everyone has seen it and has replied and it's too late to change it.
they're responsible enough to just do it

also, I don't particularly like you sig seeing as it is bigger and more garish than most of your posts, I'm fine with you bragging but could you not do it in size 2? (or even 1?)

Did you even read the thread? I've stated repeatedly how I'm not bragging! I'm just posting my specs with my main components bolded; Christ.

I usually post 8-20 lines of text in my posts, which is way over the size of my signature, so no, you are wrong there.

Alright, there. No more complaining. I changed my signature to a more condensed form and got rid of and added a few things. Seriously, no more complaining lol.

Is everyone happy now?

If you find any other problems with my signature be sure to report it to one of our trusty moderators, and have them pm me with exactly how it goes against any rules.

[CX1329]

Siiiiiiigh.

Let me describe the rules in a way that even you can understand.

Avoid off-topic posts and duplicate threads.
Although a certain small amount of friendly chatter is natural and encouraged, we ask you to be mindful of thread topics and not engage in persistent off-topic commentary. Furthermore, the search feature will enable you to contribute to pre-existing threads (whenever possible) instead of creating duplicate threads. As a user, you should help to maintain the integrity and focus of the forum.

You can't post off-topic material, especially off-topic threads. Within the threads themselves, off-topic posting is tolerated to a certain limit.

Avoid spam and advertisements.
These forums do not primarily exist for you to make a profit. To that end, advertisements must be of a purely informative nature. Links to personal game design projects, personal home pages, and online communities are entirely acceptable; links to referral schemes and product marketing sites are not. If you see a spam thread, please use the Report Post function or send a private message (PM) to a moderator rather than replying to the spammer's thread.

The only kinds of advertisement that are allowed are links to game projects, personal homepages and online communities, provided they have to do with game physics, otherwise it is considered to be off-topic posting. Other kinds of adverts are not allowed.

Avoid excessive vulgarity.
Occasional swearing is fine for expressing intense emotion, but its sustained or exaggerated use decreases a thread's value and may offend the community at large. Other offensive materials in text or graphics are not permitted.

You can swear, but not so much that your posts become a joke.


Avoid harassment.
We're here to have a good time. Personal attacks on other members will not be tolerated. Additionally, in order to avoid getting attacked, please refrain from creating posts that may usually provoke others: those with unsubstantiated claims, opinions arrogantly presented as fact, or vapid content (including generic bump posts).

No flaming or trolling of any kind is accepted. I highlighted the above text because you happen to be breaking these rules, by harassing moderators with your arrogant, unconstructive behaviour. This would have been perfectly okay, had you been polite about it, but your double standards allow you to say that moderators are rude, even though you're acting in the most childish manner, even if you're the one in the wrong.

Avoid forum fouls.
Certain forum actions serve no purpose other than to distract and frustrate others. These are highly discouraged, and they include (but are not limited to) the use of the following: over-sized signatures, over-sized fonts, all caps, alternating caps, cycled bold/italics/underlining, rainbow colors, scrolling, egregious multiple posting, and ultra-deep quoting. (Truly bizarre formatting, spelling, and grammar are also discouraged.) Please fix your posts using the Edit function if they contain such fouls.

There you go, it's in the rules. YOU CAN'T DO IT, PERIOD. You can't have oversized signatures, nor can you have any of the aforementioned features in your posts.

Last, but not least, you accepted a "Terms of Use" document before registering, which basically said that you only have privileges in this, not rights. That's right, posting on this is only a privilege that you get, which is subject to being revoked at any time. This website imposed a set of conditions upon you from the moment of registration, and Matthew appointed moderators to create and enforce specific forum rules. Thus, we have all the rights to do anything in order to enforce those rules.

I have yet to see one complaint that has substance to it. So far, all the complaints have been saying is "mod X is mean because he enforced rules".

[Kurrus]

I agree with Cyranix. Moderators shouldn't have to warn you when they censor one of your posts because the longer profanity stays posted somewhere the better the chance people will see it. It's pointless to see a problem and then have to get permission to fix it while it just sits there longer then it has to. I do think they should warn you about stuff in your sig though, so you have the time to change it instead of them.

Agreed.

Seriously, stop with this. It's getting lame already. Sure, mods are not perfect. Sure, they can slip up sometimes. But this bullshit goes past Microsoft's. I've seen people complaining about mods editing signatures. That would be perfectly fine, as long as mods COULD edit signatures. Wich they don't, so stop with the bullshit.

[ShortStuf7]

The mod argument pretty much dissipated before cx even posted his dissertation. The topic regarding my sig has also been fixed prior to cx's post. Read the thread, all problems have been fully understood/solved, You're both the only ones left arguing (:D ), you can close the thread, all problems solved mates.;)

[Crincles]

EDIT: I'm not done I need to make you understand what bragging is because if I don't I will feel stupid.
EDIT2: Oh yea and thanks for changing your sig, my eye's don't feel like they are ripped out of my head and forced to stare at it when I see it anymore.

Sure the phrasing can be interpreted as bragging, but when I say "I don't think ep2 will be a problem for me (with link to a chart showing my specs ranked largely over the recommended specs)"
Does this not look strange to you?
Last time I checked we, as English speaking peoples, have a word for consistently portraying that your comp is extremely good (you had done so twice in your sig alone). I believe that word is bragging. If you disagree with me you are disagreeing with the following.
Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brag) definition of brag as a verb.
brag- to talk boastfully <always bragging about his success>
Now quick, change bragging to it's definition then take out success and put in computer.
Now the sentence goes like this <always talking boastfully about his computer>
If your not sure what boastfully means here is the definition, also from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/boasting)
boast- to possess and often call attention to (something that is a source of pride)
Now lets substitute in the definition for boast where boastfully went.
<always talking about or calling attention to his computer>
I'm going to say that your computer is a source of pride, tell me if I'm wrong.
<always talking about or calling attention to his <insert source of pride here>
----------------------------------------------------->Computer^
Wow that sure sounds like you.

I have spelled it out for you, please tell me if you still think I'm wrong because any continued posts by me in this thread will be a complete waste of my time.

(No hard feelings man, just trying to prove a point)

[ShortStuf7]

Does this not look strange to you?
Last time I checked we, as English speaking peoples, have a word for consistently portraying that your comp is extremely good (you had done so twice in your sig alone). I believe that word is bragging. If you disagree with me you are disagreeing with the following.
Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/brag) definition of brag as a verb.
brag- to talk boastfully <always bragging about his success>
Now quick, change bragging to it's definition then take out success and put in computer.
Now the sentence goes like this <always talking boastfully about his computer>
If your not sure what boastfully means here is the definition, also from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/boasting)
boast- to possess and often call attention to (something that is a source of pride)
Now lets substitute in the definition for boast where boastfully went.
<always talking about or calling attention to his computer>
I'm going to say that your computer is a source of pride, tell me if I'm wrong.
<always talking about or calling attention to his <insert source of pride here>
----------------------------------------------------->Computer^
Wow that sure sounds like you.

I have spelled it out for you, please tell me if you still think I'm wrong because any continued posts by me in this thread will be a complete waste of my time.

(No hard feelings man, just trying to prove a point)
The main word there is had. It has already been fixed to your specifications, now drop it. There's no point in arguing over something that doesn't even exist any more.

[GreyMario]

words

While we're being hypocritical about our signaures, what about YOUR big red eye-yanking text?

[Crincles]

While we're being hypocritical about our signaures, what about YOUR big red eye-yanking text?
It's a quote everyone should know, and the big redness is actually part of the quote. I'm am not going to modify it because then it would not be an exact quote, so to speak.

The main word there is had. It has already been fixed to your specifications, now drop it. There's no point in arguing over something that doesn't even exist any more.

Read my edits they were done before you posted that, I don't want to look unapreciative.

[Sokuto]

On the topic of sigs, Amynue's sig also has all the colors of the rainbow in it.

[Relys]

The problem I had, was when I used one swear word, to express my distaste of a certain flamer.

It's fine for a moderator to edit casual swearing with more than average profanity.

[Maltor124]

Well, it seems ShortStuf has had his say, and so has everyone else. And this thread isn't about signature flaws, so locked, kthxbai.

[Great_Pretender]

It's a quote everyone should know, and the big redness is actually part of the quote. I'm am not going to modify it because then it would not be an exact quote, so to speak.
I just thought I'd point out that it's not an exact quote anyway, because you missed the apostrophe.

If you're going to be so strong about it, at least get it right.
-TGP-