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[chaostheory216]

I have taken lurking to a pretty high level. I have visited this forum for months before i'm actually making this post. and i would like the thread to show what i have seen.

Through lurking this forum I have noticed a very annoying trend amongst people posting games. They seem to post games that ARE NOT physics based. The defense is that the game has 'Ragdolls'. If we brought every game with ragdolls into this forum, we would have every FPS from 2000 onward.
This is for PHYSICS GAMES. When I think of physics games I think of games like Hammerfall or applications like the Powder game. Halo 3? Not so much.

While having threads about these games with physics on the side is great, what we need is an extra forum that is about games with physics on the side. Leave the games ABOUT physics to the forum about physic games.

[Muddegutt]

Maybe adress this to the "site feedback" section of the forum?

[fulltimekiller]

ragdoll is physics

[chaostheory216]

Ragdolls are physics indeed, but do I need to make a thread about Soldier of fortune with the excuse that it has ragdolls? When i think of physics games i think of games that actually use physics in their gameplay.


And yeah this probably should be in Support -.-

[AGENT15]

Through lurking this forum I have noticed a very annoying trend amongst people posting games. They seem to post games that ARE NOT physics based. The defense is that the game has 'Ragdolls'. If we brought every game with ragdolls into this forum, we would have every FPS from 2000 onward.

And I noticed lots of people make threads about VERY FUCKING OBVIOUS things.

[Tayg0]

dude, definetley not a good first post, and also if it has physics, Its a physics game Dont join, and criticize others, just cause you dont like taking the time to look through all of them, chances are if it has ragdolls it probably has other physics. [edit] and also dude a lot of fps, still dont have physics/ragdolls, you probably just play source games, or warrock
halo didnt have ragdolls, im not so sure about halo 2..... i dont play it that much :(

[Muntu]

dude, definetley not a good first post, and also if it has physics, Its a physics game

Holy fuck no!
1. That was a good first post, and
2. If game has physics, it doesn't automatically mean it's PHYSICS GAME
Oh yes, CS:S is a physics game, it has ragdolls and other fancy physics... NOT! It can be played without the physics, which means it is NOT a physics game. Geez...

And I'm very sure Halo 1 had some kind of ragdolls too

[psygo]

dude, definetley not a good first post, and also if it has physics, Its a physics game Dont join, and criticize others, just cause you dont like taking the time to look through all of them, chances are if it has ragdolls it probably has other physics. [edit] and also dude a lot of fps, still dont have physics/ragdolls, you probably just play source games, or warrock
halo didnt have ragdolls, im not so sure about halo 2..... i dont play it that much :(

just because there is ragdolls doesnt mean its a physics game...
you can play CS:S without ragdolls cant you?
then CS:S isnt a physics game
a physics game is a game that you CANT play without physics

[Farbror Fazer]

just because there is ragdolls doesnt mean its a physics game...
you can play CS:S without ragdolls cant you?
then CS:S isnt a physics game
a physics game is a game that you CANT play without physics

Yeah, and this was NOT a bad post... Read the one Munto posted above you... see the simmilarities?

[psygo]

it wasnt o my screeen when i posted :P

[chaostheory216]

dude, definetley not a good first post, and also if it has physics, Its a physics game Dont join, and criticize others, just cause you dont like taking the time to look through all of them, chances are if it has ragdolls it probably has other physics. [edit] and also dude a lot of fps, still dont have physics/ragdolls, you probably just play source games, or warrock
halo didnt have ragdolls, im not so sure about halo 2..... i dont play it that much :(


Way to lose the point, AND attempt to tell me the games i play.

Internet Fights aside, My point was clarified by previous posts with the CS:S example. people post games such as Halo 3 and such. Physics have NO actual aspect to the game. (that we know of) and we have no reason to believe. the only sort of Physics that exist are the driving physics and the ragdoll physics. Which suck anyway because they are comprised of ATVs swerving all over the place and people going automatically horizontal and waving their arms in the air when getting killed.

TRUE physics games are the ones listed on the front page. Games that lose MAJOR aspects of their gameplay. Games like MMM and applications like Vcrash.

Alrighty i'm done re explaining and restating in this post :P

[Jokker]

I'd like to add that however, some games that aren't physics games deserve to be posted due to physics innovations in them. Like the original Hitman. First game to use Verlet Integration and have ragdolls. It's the first one, it was an innovation, that's why it deserves to be posted. But unless it brings something new...like completely destructable environments or stuff like that, yeah, not worth it, if it's not a physics game.

[soad667]

Completely agree with chaostheory...
Many people come here, posting little flash games with minor or not-at-all physics and the forum sacrificed its quality for a pointless quantity,with a little bit of everything...Make a sticky for posting little flash games and we will get rid of all these small annoying threads - starting a whole new thread for just a 2-minutes-of-fun game is not a good idea...

No offense to anyone ;)

[Z3R052]

I'd like to add that however, some games that aren't physics games deserve to be posted due to physics innovations in them. Like the original Hitman. First game to use Verlet Integration and have ragdolls. It's the first one, it was an innovation, that's why it deserves to be posted. But unless it brings something new...like completely destructable environments or stuff like that, yeah, not worth it, if it's not a physics game.

Ya even some games that are not "innovations" are posted here because they haven't came out yet and that there is a good possibility that there physics will be good or unique. Bioshock for example looked like it would have a lot of unique physic opportunity's and in some ways it does but a innovation to physics I think not.

[Farbror Fazer]

I think all the Hitman games deserve to be posted, since you can drop and throw your gun to get it to another side of a fence and then go inside and collect it... Also, the hiding of bodies in blood money would not work if the bodies didn't turn to ragdolls, just moving the bodies is a major part of all the Hitman games. Therefor I believe that the physics play a MAJOR role in those games

[SataMaxx]

I totally agree with you chaostheory and I've said so from the beginning : games with ragdolls ARE NOT physics games unless this is related to the gameplay.
Games where physics are used as GRAPHIC ENHANCEMENT are not physics games. What we are seeking is games where physics are part of the gameplay !!
A thread like the one about Heaven2Ocean got 22 replies, whereas the thread about bioshock got 183 replies... this is not normal !! H2O deserves way more attention because it is a TRUE physics game.
So for those who still doesn't get what we mean is a physics game, you should play armadillo run or gish again. If you still don't get it, borrow a pair of neurons if you can't afford them !

[futuramaguy42]

I totally agree with you chaostheory and I've said so from the beginning : games with ragdolls ARE NOT physics games unless this is related to the gameplay.
Games where physics are used as GRAPHIC ENHANCEMENT are not physics games. What we are seeking is games where physics are part of the gameplay !!
A thread like the one about Heaven2Ocean got 22 replies, whereas the thread about bioshock got 183 replies... this is not normal !! H2O deserves way more attention because it is a TRUE physics game.
So for those who still doesn't get what we mean is a physics game, you should play armadillo run or gish again. If you still don't get it, borrow a pair of neurons if you can't afford them !

But H2O isn't that fun. Theres like one level and then its impossible at that elevator lift thing. I don't care how much physics a game uses, If its bad, I'm not gonna play it. Ragdoll games are physics games. If someone posted a shooting game with ragdolls and cool water effects. And then you posted a game where your a drop of water in a uncompleted game. I'm gonna play the one with the ragdolls and cool water effects. Whats a true physics game is your opinion only. And is this the physics game forum or the TRUE physics game forum? :)

We need some of both games. Gish is awesome. And so is Half Life 2 or Counter Strike Source.

[Beakless]

A bit off topic here but this needs to be said:

Some people are just posting stupid shit that wastes everyone's time so they can get their post count up.

Here is an example; A while ago, someone made a thread saying they had a problem running one of their games and this guy said "So can anyone help me?" So someone posts "Not me."! How fucking stupid is that?! I'm not mentioning that person's name as he/she is not the only one as quite alot of people post shit like this quite often...

EDIT: It just happened over at my new GTA thread when Counterlife posted :

"Hum i don't really care because I don't have an Xbox"

Am I the only one that thinks this is insane?

[chaostheory216]

Agreed, but that is the nature of forums.

Yeah we could do things like temp bans for constant post whoring, but then it would probably evolve into a ban happy atmosphere like the Facepunch forums.

[Beakless]

Well, the facepuch forums are a bit special, I've had great fun seeing how many people are banned a month from saying "Stick it in her pooper"...

But That dosn't mean this site dosn't need a bit of wrist-slapping to keep everyone happy and not post-spamming...

[SataMaxx]

Futuramaguy, you're not forced to quote my entire post before answering to a little part of it.
Secondly, are you retarded enough not to see that h2o is only an early project made for a coding compo and can't have the polish of a commercial game ? (And beside, if you ask, you can resolve the elevator bug by switching graphics detail.)

Then you say it all : "I prefer playing a shooter with ragdolls and cool water effects". These are GRAPHIC enhancement and have nothing to do with the quintessential playing experience which is approximatively the same that in wolfenstein 3d !
I think you've not yet understood the purpose of this site, which is finding physics BASED games, and not games WITH physics.

inally, to answer your question : this is the 'physics games' forum, no the 'shooter games with a little bit of physics here and there' forum

[Sokuto]

In one of 668.5's threads, I posted a sentence. That sentence was:

"If you take out the physics and you can still play the game normally, then it's not a physics game."

Now, we don't need 50 threads about an FPS with ragdoll. Every single FPS since 2004 has had ragdolls, like what was said before. Now, if you can take the physics elements out of a game, and yet still be able to play it, then it doesn't belong here. But if you can't play it, like taking the physics out of Gish, then it should be posted.

[Farbror Fazer]

Satamaxx you shouldn't be such a dick to Futuramaguy, he clearly says in his post "Whats a true physics game is your opinion only" and that's he's oppinion... Oblivion was a hell of a game, since allmost everything had physics. I believe that oblivion has the right to be posted, you, apparently does not.

If you hate the bioshock thread (and all the other "non-physic" games) threads, simply NOT post in them... It's that easy...


PS. Please note that I'm not flaming anyone, atleast I try never to. I respect everyones oppinion as long as it has some sense in it. DS.